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I found out today my favorite clay Premo base has been discontinued by clayfactory! I made "Leacoutha"  entirely of premo base ,cut  right off the block  like hard cheddar. I was dreamily looking forward to using it again because it has such a wonderful  natural beeswax look and  it always had a great texture..not sticky and soft as most translucent  polymers. It was a great clay to extend other clays with, made them hold their own and not sag or attract lint and I hardly ever had moonies with it.
I had noticed something had changed,but didnt heed the early warning signs.. each time I bought a block it wasnt as fresh .. it was crumbly and hard and now I see why.. the sellers were pushing out that old stock!

Im now in the market for a brand new clay ,but then I got another juicy bit of information. Two chemicals in the plasitsizers of polymer clay have been banned in California. Now all the clays will be reformulated! I wonder if I buy a new clay and fall in love will it suddely change too? I have my eye set on puppen fimo ,but clays being formulated have in the past been sold before all the kinks are out.
Im not sure if I should open my heart again!

But anyway I am buying a new convection oven as soon as some money gets in my tapped out credit card. I pray to the muses this means no more moonies or overcooked clay. Thats going to be my  christmas present to myself!
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livingindarkness Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2008
If you like firmer clay then you would like puppenfimo. It is a very translucent clay so you have to add some fimo classic to it to avoid moonies, I add white and #43 flesh. I never get moonies with prosculpt but it is very soft and lint attracting, plus, fingers can break off very easy after baking. Living doll and prosculpt are the same clay just different packaging, they are made from the same people that make sculpey, proform. Some people have very good luck with prosculpt but I have had too many cracks and breaks in order to sell with confidence.

By the way, you make the most amazing sculptures and you inspire me a great deal. Do you still make the ball joint dolls, the one you made was beautiful. :)
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
I just got some puppen fimo. I havent had a chance to really work with it much yet. Yup Ive tried prosculpt.
A real shame its not stronger. After leaching its firmer,but I guess its softness is part of the reason its so easy to smooth. Iys ok for bigger work ,work that doesnt have tiny appendages.
I havent tried living doll yet ,but are you sure their the same? because I had heard living doll was reformulated and Prosculpt hasnt yet.

Thank you;) Yes I still make ball jointed dolls. I have several casts of Briar. One I am fighing to paint to my liking. Resin a pita to paint! eventauly Id like to try another bjd 22" size .
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livingindarkness Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2008
I don't know if they have reformulated prosculpt yet. I have heard people complaining that it has changed. I actually have some that I have had for over a year and it is crumbly but becomes very workable if you condition it in a food processor. I also have to condition the puppenfimo in a food processor because it is very hard to work worth out of the package. I never saw the premo base you are talking about. I saw the sculpture you made with it and I loved the finish, it kind of looked like a whitish jade. On the package did they just call it premo base?

The reason I found out about prosculpt and living doll being from the same place is I emailed someone a long time ago to ask where to get living doll and they sent me to Jack Johnston's website. A while back there was a discussion about it on the art doll sculpting group on ebay. Another thing that I like better about puppenfimo is that it doesn't change color like the prosculpt does. Every time I back prosculpt it gets darker especially if you leave it in a long time.

Your ball joint doll is beautiful. I bet a lot of people would like to purchase one from you. I know the supplies are expensive to make them, that is why I haven't successfully finished one. I want to try and make one in porcelain before I invest in materials for a resin doll. I wish it was as cheap to make in resin as it is in porcelain. I worry about air bubbles in the resin because I can't afford a vacuum chamber. :(
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
If it gets better then I might try it again. I remember someone saying Jacks product was made by Polyform,but Premo is also made by them and its has a diffenrt feel.
Yes the premo base called "base" it was a special color. Its translucent and unbleached so, it has a slight yellowish cast. Premo is good about color shifting.

I do want to sell my ball joints eventaully in very limited numbers. Yeah the suplies are expensive and goofs happpen. Each step takes alot of work.
Porcelain would be good at least in that it doesnt yellow ,but I dont know if youd have the same excitement for them.The resin is realy popular and it is flexible. You can cast in any color and even very translucent.
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livingindarkness Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2008
Have you ever seen this girl's porcelain balljoint dolls, they are amazing, but I can't afford one:

[link]
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Yes I have seen her website. Her work is gorgeous!
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Yovanka Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2007  Professional Artist
If you want to try it I would recommend this seller: [link] cause I know for a fact that she sells ONLY the new (improved) sculpey living doll clay :) !!!
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
Ah thank you very much! Yes Id like to try it.
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Yovanka Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007  Professional Artist
My polymer clay of choice is sculpey living doll (beige) and that too was changed a few months back into a reeeeeeeeally soft clay that was a nightmare to work with (leaching didn't help either) and worst of all, any sculpt larger than 10'' would crack. It became VERY weak after baking!

Many scylpey living doll users filled a petition to the company and the result is a clay even better than the original!!! It is quite firm to hold detail yet not crumbly, very nice color (slightly lighter) and hardly any moonies (even though sculpey living doll was never prone to moonies).
Unfortunately sculpey living doll is available only in Europe so US citizens will find it quite costly..

Puppen fimo produces moonies quite often and the colors it is available in.. aren’t as realistic in my opinion (even though translucent). Also it doesn’t have a long shelf life like most polymer clays. In general I wasn’t really happy with it.

I enjoy seeing your work and I really hope that you will find the brand that will suit your needs best!!!!!!!
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you for the information on living doll. I have never tried this clay,but since its sculpy perhaps Premo will see the same new formula? Premo and Kato have been my favorite clays so far because I like a very firm clay.
Maybe I will order from the UK if someone is selling it. Even if its more expensive Ill have to use whatever clay is best since its my livelyhood.
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verdigrisjester Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007
why the hell haven't I been watching you?! what the devil is wrong with me !? well, fixed that,lol.
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
You know I could swear you were already. heehee
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nuintholiel Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2007  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
ooooo....
a convection oven!!
I haven't even begun to sculpt (I do want to so much!) but the whole baking process always is so intimidating! Burnt! Moonies!! Yikes! Convection would be the only way to go to minimize those.
hmmm.. new idea for a Christmas present!

BTW you are an awesome artist.. if I can achieve one tiny fraction of your skill I will be over the moon!
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
The convection is suposed to be even hot air and it shuts itself off after the time is up. Plus you can watch through the glass to see how its doing. Im not sure if I really can believe the no moonies raves..we'll see.
It was getting to where I was avoiding looking in the oven. ..like delaying that moment where you see how your peice fared! Im still shopping as QVC suddenly doesnt have the model I wanted.

Thank you about my work.
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nuintholiel Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2007  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I just read where you should get a digital convection oven.. there are so many out there!! Which brand are you looking for???? :please:
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
Not any particular brand. I was most interested in the glass bowl style rather than the toaster oven shaped ones. Ill keep digital in mind though.
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nuintholiel Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
one like this? go to:[link]
i didn't know they even made glass ones! cool! that would be even heating!
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
yes thats it! This costs a little more than what QVC had..those were 60 bucks,but maybe its worth it to not fudge around anymore.
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nuintholiel Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2007  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
oops! :oops:
I forgot to mention it is a glass bowl and she did get it from either HSN or QVC.
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
yeah the glass bowl kind I think are handier and you can see into em better.The toaster oven style probably still work fine.
The bowl on the one I got is 7" tall and 12" wide that should fit most sculpts. from what Ive heard the glass spins around and sometimes the sculpt wants to slide to the side so use something soft such as polyfiber batting on the bottom to hold the peice.
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nuintholiel Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2007  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
lo and behold I was talking with my mom over Thanksgiving feasting and she has an American Harvest Convection Perfection Model 200T Oven she has never used and says I can have so... I will test this out this week.. my first ever polymer sculpt and firing!! yikes :faint:

I will let you know if I and the sculpt survive
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
hey thats cool!Way to get started.
I went ahead and bought the one in the link you sent me. I could have nicked off 20 bucks or so by e-baying it but I was tired of losing and just want the thing now so, I can cure my next peice.
good luck!:)
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nuintholiel Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2007  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
oh good! I thought it might be what you were talking about.. not a bad price really:)
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DonSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2007
I've had this sort of thing happen too many times. I'm still trying to find an good substitute for Duratite Surfacing Putty. I had to relearn my tool technique for reverse acrylic carving when Foredom changed their tool shapes. Types of paint, too. And when I was working for Hawley Laboratories, we had found a polyurithane that made flexible propellers that resisted a hot mixture of crude oil and saltwater. Then one of the ingredients was banned, and the substitute made the propellers crumbly. I was planning on doing some more polymer clay work soon, after not using it for years. Now I'm worried....
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
Exaclty! I can see the agrviation with the crumbling propellers! One of a kind polymer sculptures are my livelyhood and I know alot of people depend on it. I hope the new formulas will be good ,but I worry about thier handling and possible the longevity. Im stocking up now to at least have some back up!
I supose worse comes to worse I can move to some new media,but polymer has a huge popularity for its translucence and skin like look. Its hard to top it.
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DonSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2007
Polymer clay is such a promising material; it allows the use of many techniques from ceramic clay, wax, glass, and I'm not sure what else. But one is more more subject to the whim of the materials makers. I made many sculptures and jewelry pieces from polymer clay, though I never got to the level you and others have taken it to; and I don't know that I ever will, coming back to it so late; but I am hoping it will be fun.
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
Thats what I really love about it. Ive always had interest in alot of diffenrt media and trying them all is of course cost prohibitive and not always possible. I really like being able to do faux jade,ivory or beeswax and like you say blend techniques from other media.
time eh, not important..pick it up and have a go. From looking at your carving ability you already have everything you need.
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DonSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2007
Well, your work is very inspiring. We'll see what happens.
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
glad I could inspire adn I look forward to it. You know looking at your work reminded me so much of my husband! He used to stick very similar eyes on his work and also made , wooden staves and antler pipes. I would so much like him to get back to being creative ...so I showed him your stuff.
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DonSimpson Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007
I hope you succeed.
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
Well , he has been changed by wage slavery. Its been years,but now he isnt working and is growing his hair out and Im suporting us with my art so, I hope with time to think straight he can get back into it. I may post peices of his old work here. If he gets feeback that might help him feel good about starting again, ya know.
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DobbyKnits Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
:cries: I also live in California and work with plasticine clays. My skills are light years behind your own, though. :blush:

The thought that this medium will become unavailable is extremely disenchanting. I just got back into sculpting in the last year, too. :sadangel:

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you (and for me, as well) that this situation gets resolved with the greatest of expediency. :fingerscrossed:
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Sleetwealth Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
I think that the polymers will still be available. whats on the shelf now will probably continue to be sold and the new seamlessly replace it..(idealy),but no way to know for sure how workable the clays will be.
You can read abut the changes to FIMO at the UK polymer guild site. However I did hear Kato was being changed already and probably other companies will too.
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